Dear Frank Mir
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- February
- 3
Thank you for coming into this fight in shape . You validated my prediction.
Thanks – Larry.
Dear Brock Lesnar,
Welcome to the world of mixed martial arts. Better start training some submissions.
I hope your knee feels better soon.
– Larry
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I had a lot of respect for you until this post. What are you, a five year old? Why not say “nah nah nah nah boo boo”?
When Arturo Collozo, who is the biggest Lesnar critic out there, writes on http://www.mmanewsdesk.com “this was the best, most dramatic, most amazing 90 seconds in UFC history,” it impresses me. Lesnar impressed the hell out of me. So did Mir, of course. But your comments were childish and unprofessional. Shame on you.
Ditto.
(To Larry’s comments, not Eric’s)
Also ditto. I think given a couple years and a rematch, the outcome is going to be a lot different I predict.
Props to Mir all the same though, he’s handled himself with nothing but class for the past several months, and I think this is going to give the boost of confidence that he needed.
No, I am not a five year old – I made a prediction for the match and my prediction was right. I’ve met Lesnar before. He was not the most pleasant guy to his fans. I predicted he would be submitted if Mir came into this match in shape and guess what happened? Mir came to fight. Boo hoo. Lesnar lost. Get over it.
That’s what happens when you put a rookie in the octagon with a highly skilled mixed martial artist.
A couple of years and a rematch? Brock bit off more then he could chew – plain and simple. The fight isn’t taking place in a couple of years. It took place last night. Could have, should have, would have doesn’t apply in the cage.
Brock will be successful in the UFC, but he needs to work his way up the ladder. This isn’t a sport where you dive head first.
Mir had a game plan and Lesnar fell right into it.
As far as my comments being childish – I am not sure what to tell you. Sounds like you might be bitter because your guy lost. Training some submissions and submission defense should be the first thing on Brock’s agenda because he left his arms and legs very susceptible to submissions in this fight.
“this was the best, most dramatic, most amazing 90 seconds in UFC history,â€
Seriously? What was so dramatic about this match?
I can name 5 more “dramatic” moments in MMA history then Lesnar getting submitted by a knee bar inside of two minutes of the very first round.
Off the top of my head and in no particular order:
1) Dan Henderson knocking out Wanderlei Silva to become the first mixed martial artist to hold titles in different weight classes.
2) Randy Couture coming out of retirement to dominate Tim Sylvia and win the UFC heavyweight title.
3) Emelianeko – Fedor getting dropped square on his head and coming back to win the fight.
4) Matt Serra validating his comeback and knocking out one of the pound for pound best fighters in the world, Georges St. Pierre ,thus become the UFC welterweight champion.
5) Royce Gracie vs. Matt Hughes –
These are dramatic moments in MMA history. When a professional wrestler comes into the octagon and gets submitted under two minutes by a world class BJJ fighter, that isn’t so dramatic.
Keep the comments coming.
It sounds to me like you’re all hyped up about a pro wrestler getting submitted. Even your response was childish. Would you prefer the word “unprofessional”?
Actually, I was a Mir fan going in. Still am. My letters on Mir have been published, so it’s not something I’m just making up. My point is your attitude towards it all. I said you were childish because you GLOAT. What is that? The drama and passionate crowd heat of that fight was, as http://www.mmanewsdesk.com editor Arturo Collozo (who I respect greatly) wrote, tremendous.
As for your assertion about dramatic moments, I agree that some of those moments were very dramatic. So was this fight. It was a great fight, it was over fast, it was intense action, and Lesnar was a monster. He got caught. That’s what BJJ athletes captialize on. The Jeremy Horn loss was indicative of it, as was Sylvia’s.
Most people today are saying both Sylvia and Lesnar have nothing to be ashamed of, and I agree. I just wish the “he’s a pro wrestler, we don’t like him in our sport” sentiment would go away because it just makes the person saying it look so immature … and the entire sport is built around showcasing the best DISCIPINE.
Perhaps we can say your post was “undisciplined,” which is why I thought you were childish.
There is no gloating going on here. I am a fan of Mir and I’m happy he won. I don’t like Lesnar. I respect his ability to fight, but I am not a fan of his. Call it undisciplined, childish, etc. It’s an opinion and it’s valid.
I’ll agree there was a lot of energy surrounding the fight, but I wouldn’t call it MMA history. Calling this fight “the best, most dramatic, most amazing 90 seconds in UFC history†is a huge exaggeration of the truth. That is the opinion of that particular blogger , though, and I have mine. His MMA blog is chock full of pro wrestling content. For him, maybe it was the best thing to happen to MMA, but in reality it pales in comparison to other events in MMA/UFC history.
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I just wish the “he’s a pro wrestler, we don’t like him in our sport†sentiment would go away because it just makes the person saying it look so immature … and the entire sport is built around showcasing the best DISCIPINE.
I’ve never claimed that Lesnar has no business being in the sport because he was a pro wrestler. I was a huge fan of Lesnar in his WWE days. I’m a huge fan of pro wrestling and I’ve mentioned that in this blog.
The sport of MMA is no longer about “showcasing the best discipline”. You need to be a stud in 2-3 disciplines to get the job done in this era of the sport. One discipline will get you nowhere in mixed martial arts and Brock Lesnar is the perfect example of that. Physically, he is a monster. He is an outstanding wrestler with little submission defense and a stand up game that has yet to be tested. That is why he lost. Anyone who has grappled competitively will tell you it is a monumental mistake to leave your arms and legs flailing around while you are in the guard of an excellent submission grappler.
I personally think Lesnar will be raising hell in the heavyweight division for years to come. I think it was a bad decision to think you could walk into the UFC and be under the impression that you are going to walk through a guy like Frank Mir. It’s pompous and arrogant and my post was a direct response to that attitude. If it pushed your buttons, then maybe my job is done. There is an intelligent discussion going on regarding the fight. I am all for that.
“Most people today are saying both Sylvia and Lesnar have nothing to be ashamed of, and I agree.”
Lesnar has nothing to be ashamed of. He came out ready to go and got caught. He’ll learn from this experience and continue to get better.
Sylvia, on the other hand, had that fight in the bag. That was his fight to lose and he lost it. He came out aggressive. He came out like the old Tim Sylvia. He threw nice combos – he was landing those combinations and even dropped Big Nog. At some point, Sylvia became content throwing stiff jabs and hooks one strike at a time. He was not following up his punches. He allowed Big Nog to regain his composure which was a big mistake. Had he continued to throw those combinations, I really believe he would have won that fight. After he rocked Nog, he would throw one jab, wait a few seconds and throw another jab or cross. This gave Nog the time he needed to recover.
At that point Sylvia fell right into Big Nog’s trap .Seemingly, it looked like Nog was going for some pretty lame double leg/single leg takedowns. He probably knew he couldn’t take Tim down with a double or single, so he used the seemingly lame attempts to pull guard and set up submissions. That was a pretty ingenious plan. Once Sylvia was in Nog’s guard, that was the end. Sylvia tries to get up, Nog grabs an ankle, Sylvia falls into a guillotine. Another game plan executed to perfection.
I like turtles.
A month before the fight I felt Mir was going to give Lesnar a submission lesson. My opinion was Lesnar should have fought a “ground n pound” type of guy like Tank Abbott. Mir disposed of Tank quickly also. These ankle grabbers are always going to defeat a non skilled practitioner. Obviously Franks submission and Brocks Wrestling pound game is the ultimate fighter model. Now which of these two guys can incorporate this best? No question Brock since his strength is already there. Look out as this guy picks the right oponents in the future while he learns the business. Sure shows how fake the WWE is…....